Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Återkoppling/2014

ÅÄÖ-problem

Jag och några andra har nyligen noterat åäö-problem, exempelvis här. Någon som har fler exempel på detta? Jan Ainali (WMSE) (disk) 4 november 2013 kl. 22.35 (CET)

Jan Ainali (WMSE) This was a nasty bug! But it has, thankfully, been fixed. See bugzilla:56583. There was apparently a problem with an update to Parsoid (not to VisualEditor). Upside: this has since been resolved. Downside: some cleanup may be necessary. Let me know if I can help with that. --AKoval (WMF) (disk) 5 november 2013 kl. 16.12 (CET)

Yes, please. You kan look up every diff with tag filter "visualeditor" between 19:45 and 20:47 on 4th November 2013. Thank you for volunteering to make Wikipedia a better place! /rrohdin (disk) 5 november 2013 kl. 20.25 (CET)

Jag tänkte bara nämna att nu, två månader senare, finns det inga exempel på sådana åäö-fel kvar i några artiklar. Jag åtgärdade i dag de ytterst fåtal fel som fanns och inga av dem var skapade med Visual Editor. (Det finns dock ett fåtal filnamn med tecken skrivna på detta sätt, men dem har jag inte ändrat. Det gäller filnamn i de nio artiklarna Dælivannet, Himalayahussvala, HMS Västervik (T136/R136), HMS Älvsborg (M02), Klädesholmen, Minfartyg, Robotbåt, Robotsystem 15 och Timo Räisänen.) Svensson1 (disk) 7 januari 2014 kl. 22.04 (CET)

Tack, Svensson1. Thank you for your work on this and thank you for your update. I'll tell the developers. I'm sure they'll be glad to know that all is well. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 8 januari 2014 kl. 17.17 (CET)

Länkad text blir markerad och försvinner

Öppna en sida för redigering. Skriv ett ord som ska länkas. När sista bokstaven i ordet är skriven, klicka på länkverktyget (eller tryck ⌘-K eller motsvarande). Välj målsida. När det är gjort vill man ju skriva vidare i texten, och nästa tecken kommer oftast vara ett mellanslag. Men så fort man skriver nästa tecken försvinner det länkade ordet eftersom det blivit "markerat" och ersätts med mellanslaget (eller vilket tecken man nu skriver). Istället måste man på något vis först få bort markeringen (t ex genom att flytta markören med en piltangent). Vet inte om detta är en bugg, men för mig är det inte riktigt det beteende jag förväntar mig. Dessutom tror jag inte det var så i början? /NH 9 januari 2014 kl. 17.52 (CET)

Hi NH. That sounds strange. And it was not happening before now to my knowledge. I'm not certain if it is a bug or not, but I'll ask and let you know what I learn. Thanks for mentioning this. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 9 januari 2014 kl. 19.14 (CET)

NH, we've tried to reproduce the problem using Firefox and Chrome and are not seeing what you're seeing. Is this still happening? And, if yes, please tell me: 1. what type of computer and operating system do you have and 2. which internet browser and what version are you using? Tack, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 10 januari 2014 kl. 00.14 (CET)

Apologies for my English, everyone. If anyone could translate, I'd appreciate it. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 10 januari 2014 kl. 00.16 (CET)

This happens with Safari 6.1.1 and Firefox 26.0 on OS X 10.7.5 and 10.8.5 (all four combinations). I haven't tried other browsers/operating systems. (English is fine with me :-) ) /NH 10 januari 2014 kl. 00.36 (CET)

Tack, NH. :) I've filed a bug report: Bug 59891. We'll see what the devs say. Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 10 januari 2014 kl. 01.22 (CET)

Appreciate your quick response given how late at night it is there in Sweden! Thanks again, NH. :) Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 10 januari 2014 kl. 01.34 (CET)

Winter holiday…

I made a small addition to the bug report. Maybe you could try to reproduce it again, following the steps given there. It seems to depend upon how you complete/close the link dialog. /NH 10 januari 2014 kl. 11.48 (CET)

Ah. How nice! :)

I saw your new notes in the bug report. Thanks, NH; that helped. I was able to reproduce the problem, and it does appear to be related to the close dialog. We'll both be receiving notifications as the bug report is updated by the devs. We'll see what, if anything, they're able to do about it. Take care, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 10 januari 2014 kl. 21.05 (CET)

Hej NH and everyone else, sorry again for the English. :) This bug report has been updated; it was resolved as "wontfix". In comment 4 the product manager explains that this is intentional behavior in the software; it's meant to allow people to do more than one thing at a time with selected text, like link it and bold it. The recommended fix is to deselect the text with the mouse/trackpad, not with the keyboard. If you're still interested in this aspect of the design, you can add additional comments to the bug report or you can reply here, and I'll deliver your message to James. Hope this helps. Hälsningar, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 22 januari 2014 kl. 00.42 (CET)

VisualEditor office hours

Hallå. :) Apologies for writing in English. I'd be grateful for translation.

The engineering department has scheduled office hours to discuss VisualEditor. These discussions will be on IRC (Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. The first one will be held on Saturday 2014-02-15 at 17:00 UTC; the second will be held a week later, on Sunday 2014-02-16, at 00:00 UTC. Product Manager James Forrester will discuss VisualEditor and upcoming plans. (For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see meta:IRC office hours). Logs will be posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes. (If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please post your question or on my talk page or email it to me, and I or another community liaison will present it for you).

Hälsningar, Anna Koval (WMF) (talk) 14 februari 2014 kl. 23.43 (CET)

VisualEditor office hour in March

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Hi all, the office hour for this month is scheduled for Monday, March 17th, at 15:00 UTC. Please join as Product Manager James Forrester discusses VisualEditor, new features and upcoming plans. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, you can see meta:IRC office hours. If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, please let us know your question here or via email by the day before, and I or another community liaison will add it to possible discussion topics, as usual. (Complete logs are always posted and categorized at meta:Category:VisualEditor office hours logs after each office hour completes anyway, for your convenience).

Regards, ----Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 6 mars 2014 kl. 18.53 (CET)

No longer needed gadget?

Hi there. I just realized that among Utseende gadgets at this wiki there's an option to turn off VisualEditor. I am not sure this was brought to your attention before, but there's an option with the very same scope among the Editing preferences, at the bottom of the page, except this one is "official" (as in, maintained by WMF developers). I'd recommend turning off the gadget as it causes confusion and might not have the same level of maintenance the other feature has. I'm looking forward to hearing from you about this. Best, Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 12 mars 2014 kl. 19.00 (CET)

Hi! Thanks for noting this. I'm not sure (please correct me if I'm wrong) this is a redundancy. The "official setting" has the wording "Avaktivera tillfälligt VisualEditor medan den är i beta". This wording (possibly allowing VE to reappear and the setting to disappear once VE goes beyond beta status) has alarmed those of us who never find actual use of VisualEditor and most of the time think its a hindrance. I think (once again, please correct me) that the gadget more thoroughly removes any sign of VE from the Wikipedia interface. Best of wishes.--Paracel63 (diskussion) 23 april 2014 kl. 15.14 (CEST)

Right now, the options do exactly the same thing - they make VE unavailable for you. I think that actually having to load a gadget rather than using a "built-in" option makes the website a bit slower for those using the gadget. So if VE should get out of the Beta without an opt-out option (and I haven't heard about this phase approaching yet), you could of course put it back if you need it. I would also like to invite you to try VE for some minutes now, since it has definitely changed from last summer (when most people rushed to hide it; some highly-requested features are not available yet, but there have been many substantial improvements), and would love to hear some new feedback from Swedish Wikipedians :) Thank you! Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 25 april 2014 kl. 11.10 (CEST)

Visual Editor ser och länkar telefonnummer

Flyttat från Wikipedia:Wikipediafrågor. /NH 21 mars 2014 kl. 08.28 (CET)

Är det någon som har sett en sån här redigering tidigare? Det ser ut som om VisualEditor, eller kanske webbläsaren, har lagt in länkar till vad den uppfattar som telefonnummer. Inte för att jag begriper vad till exempel 0283-4995 betyder, men något telefonnummer lär det inte vara. Jag har återställt det mesta av denna redigering men vill lyfta frågan här om det är något som kanske behöver felrapporteras. Jag hittade en buggrapport på något som verkar vara samma sak när Safari på iPad används. Går det att se någonstans vilken webbläsare och OS som har använts för ovan länkade redigering? VisualEditor kanske borde varna för den typen av automatiska ändringar som görs av överambitiösa webbläsare. --Larske (diskussion) 20 mars 2014 kl. 05.35 (CET)

Utvecklarna kan se vilken webläsare och OS som använts. -- Lavallen (mail) 20 mars 2014 kl. 07.40 (CET)

Felet har varit känt åtminstone sedan juli 2013 och finns alltså fortfarande kvar. Jag tycker att någon administratör borde skapa ett filter som kontrollerar om <a href="tel: lagts till i en redigering och i så fall visa märket (texten) "Telefonnr i artikel", precis som märket "E-postadress i artikel" visas då någon lagt till en e-postadress (filter 16). Vi använder ju filter och märken även till vissa oavsiktliga fel.

17 ytterligare exempel på det här felet: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 och 17.
Svensson1 (diskussion) 21 mars 2014 kl. 08.23 (CET)

Hi, as you might have noticed, there was some movement around that bug lately, but I definitely can - and will - ask the VisualEditor's Product Manager about it in our next meeting to find out details, and then report those here. The best way so far to learn about users' settings is... asking them ;) I tested with my browsers but couldn't reproduce. I am not sure an edit filter is really needed in this case, that kind of bug is not so frequent (as a matter of fact, other Wikipedias have not set up a filter and/or a tag about it), but that's your choice, of course. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 21 mars 2014 kl. 10.30 (CET) PS: I forgot to mention this, I did the tests also to verify that the user really did not receive a warning about what happened - there is actually a warning sometimes in the edit summary dialog that suggests to preview the edit and make sure everything's ok before saving, but I can't tell if this is the case since I couldn't reproduce the bug. --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 21 mars 2014 kl. 13.26 (CET)

As an update, I can confirm that there is little the team can do, since it's a browser bug, but we will try to work with the Mobile team (and possibly, with Apple) to find a solution. Regards, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 26 mars 2014 kl. 16.04 (CET)

Problem vid bildhantering

Någon mer än jag som upplevt att sidor tenderat att bli otillgängliga och liksom frysa i det visuella redigeringsläget efter att bildhanteringsverktyget använts, så att eventuell textredigering bakom bildhanteringsverktyget tyvärr inte längre är nåbar? Detta i Chrome, Windows 8. Mvh, Triboci (diskussion) 25 mars 2014 kl. 10.13 (CET)

Hi, I hope that someone can help us understand each other :) If I understand correctly, something freezes after/when you add a picture, right? This behavior is new to me. Can you provide an example of an article where this happened? Is the media inserter the element which freezes, or is it something else? Does it also happen if you try to edit while you're logged out? (A lot of weird behaviors are due to interaction with conflicting gadgets.) You also didn't specify your skin, and that would be a useful information. Thanks a lot! :) --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 25 mars 2014 kl. 12.28 (CET)

Is 63484 relevant? Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 3 april 2014 kl. 17.13 (CEST)

Probably. Thanks! Best, Triboci (diskussion) 3 april 2014 kl. 17.27 (CEST)

VisualEditor updates

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• The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in April.

Saturday 2014-04-19, at 20:00 UTC.

The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.

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Firefox kraschar

Under Ubuntu 13.10 kraschar Firefox när jag ska spara en källa. 85.228.19.249 1 januari 2001 kl. 00.00 (CET)(Signatur tillagd i efterhand.)

Added to 63992, but if you or others could provide further details, that would help a lot. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 16 april 2014 kl. 12.00 (CEST)

Wikilänkar

Kan det inte fixas så att VE klarar av att fatta att en användare (felaktigt) försöker länka genom att sätta ut hakparenteser i VE-redigerings-läget? Det blir bara bedrövligt när det blir massa nowiki-taggar som här. Det vore även bra om det finns instruktioner hur det ska länkas och att dessa instruktioner berättar för användaren att man inte länkar likadant med VE som vanlig kod. Det skulle vara en bra lösning om programvaran när hakparenteser sätts in frågade något i stil med "försöker du länka detta ord"? /Hangsna (diskussion) 20 april 2014 kl. 21.03 (CEST)

Jag pysslade lite med själva varningsmeddelandet för ett tag sedan. När man skriver något som liknar wikikod visas meddelandet MediaWiki:Visualeditor-wikitext-warning. Om det var bra och tydligt formulerat skulle det kanske hjälpa. Problemet är att meddelandet dyker upp lite godtyckligt, och det är inte helt givet vad man ska göra för att få bort det. Förbättringar även där vore bra. /NH 20 april 2014 kl. 21.27 (CEST)

Hi, you could customize that message if you think you can improve it! I did that on the Italian Wikipedia, but as you can imagine that did not really solve the problem: some users just ignore warnings. :) --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 21 april 2014 kl. 21.55 (CEST)

Hi Hangsna, NH, can you please update that message? Clicking on Edit source has been allowing to switch retaining all the changes for months now. Thank you, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 30 oktober 2014 kl. 13.10 (CET)

 Utfört, its more like the one on ENWP now. /Hangsna (diskussion) 30 oktober 2014 kl. 16.39 (CET)

Annan teckenstorlek vid redigering

När jag öppnar en sida för redigering med Visual editor blir teckenstorleken numera betydligt mindre än när sidan visas normalt. Ska det faktiskt vara så, eller är det ett fel? För mig blir det i alla fall svårt att läsa texten i redigeringsläge. Resultatet är samma under Safari 6.1.3 och Firefox 29.0 (OS X), och beror inte på om jag är inloggad eller ej. /NH 29 april 2014 kl. 12.31 (CEST)

It's a patch-to-review bug at the moment, so it'll be fixed soon. Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 29 april 2014 kl. 17.09 (CEST)

VisualEditor office hour in May

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• The Wikimedia Foundation's engineering department holds monthly office hours to discuss VisualEditor. Please join Product Manager James Forrester to discuss the products and upcoming plans in May.

Monday 2014-05-19, at 18:00 UTC.

The discussion will be on IRC (w:Internet Relay Chat) at irc://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-office. For more information on office hours, including how to attend, please see m:IRC office hours. Logs will be posted at Meta afterwards.

If office hours are heavily attended, it can be difficult to get to all questions, but if you want to ask a question and cannot attend or do not speak English, then please let us know your question on mediawiki.org by the day before, and someone will add it to possible discussion topics.

Thanks! --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 9 maj 2014 kl. 17.47 (CEST)

Missvisande redigeringskommentarer vid redigering i specifikt stycke

I redigeringen här står det som redigeringskommentar "(→‎Externa länkar)" alltså som om personen redigerar under denna rubrik. Däremot är det som lagts till inte alls under den rubriken och jag har sett exempel på samma sak tidigare. Systemet borde klara av att se till att det inte blir en missvisande redigeringskommentar, oavsett hur (och var) man "går in i" redigeringsläge. /Hangsna (diskussion) 21 maj 2014 kl. 11.28 (CEST)

Sorry I seem to have missed this, but yes, this is a known issue and there are some open bugs about it. Best, Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 30 oktober 2014 kl. 13.06 (CET)

VisualEditor global newsletter—May 2014

This is a one-time mailing to projects that may need this information. Future newsletters will be available as opt-in only. To receive future newsletters (about one per month), please add your page to the subscribers' list at m:VisualEditor/Newsletter. You're welcome to translate to your language.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

Did you know?

The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, press "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "Infoga" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" item in the "Infoga" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

• There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Språk" tool in the "Infoga" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
• The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "⧼math-visualeditor-mwmathinspector-title⧽" item in the "Infoga" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
• The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
• TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
• Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
• Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cancel⧽" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
• Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
• In the "Bilder och media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
• There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
• There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Textstil" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-savedialog⧽" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
• The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
• At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Kortkommandon" link will be moved out of the "Sidalternativ" menu, into the "Hjälp" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF) (talk) 22 maj 2014 kl. 19.39 (CEST)

VisualEditor office hours in June and July

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Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that community liaisons invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

• Thursday, June 19th at 10:00 UTC;
• Saturday, July 19th at 21:00 UTC.

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well.

Thanks for your attention! --Elitre (WMF) 9 juni 2014 kl. 23.24 (CEST)

Updates related to VisualEditor

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Hi, everybody. This is a reminder that we invite you to discuss VisualEditor's recent development and plans ahead during the next office hours with James Forrester (Product Manager):

• Thursday, August 14, 9:00 UTC;
• Thursday, September 18, 16:00 UTC.

If you are not able to attend but have a question for James, you can leave your question at mediawiki.org or on my talk page by the day before, and I will try to get a response. We plan to continue these monthly sessions as long as there is community interest, and to announce them through the VisualEditor global newsletter as well (please subscribe your talk page there to get the latest news about the software).

Most of the VisualEditor team will be at Wikimania in London in August! You'll be able to meet the developers during the Hackaton or at the following sessions:

• VisualEditor — helping users edit more easily, Saturday, August 9;
• VisualEditor — engineering against the odds, Sunday, August 10.

WMF community liaisons will share a booth with community advocates at the Community Village and look forward to talking to you there. Thanks for your attention! --User:Elitre (WMF) 31 juli 2014 kl. 18.02 (CEST)

VisualEditor global newsletter—July and August 2014

The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

• Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
• You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
• All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "⧼visualeditor-toolbar-cite-label⧽" menu, including the "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-reference-tooltip⧽" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Infoga" menu. The "⧼visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip⧽" is still added via the "Infoga" menu.
• When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
• All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
• The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
• The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30. There is a VisualEditor Translation Sprint going on during Wikimania; whether you're in London or not, any contributions are welcome!

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! --Elitre (WMF), 9 augusti 2014 kl. 16.40 (CEST)

Internet Explorer 11

Hi, sorry this message is not in Swedish. I'm writing to let you know, in case you have missed this announcement in the Tech News during the last weeks, that starting from this Thursday IE 11 users will be able to use VisualEditor as well. I don't anticipate any visible consequences since this browser version is not so popular among Wikipedia users (should be ~5% globally); you might just notice edits revealing the editors' inexperience with VE or with editing in general. Please let us know of any unknown bugs or sudden issues, of course. Thanks a lot, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 10 september 2014 kl. 18.10 (CEST)

TemplateData editor soon available on this Wikipedia

Hello, my apologies for writing this announcement in English. A tool for editing TemplateData will be deployed to this wiki on Thursday, 9 October. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation (or to change it). You will be able to use it by editing the template's documentation page and clicking the Redigera TemplateData button at the top. You can test the TemplateData editor now in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Please see more detailed instructions at Mediawiki.org (those can be translated there, and also imported on this wiki later if you need to). Don't hesitate to contact me if you need further information. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 7 oktober 2014 kl. 13.28 (CEST)

VisualEditor News #8—2014

Visste du att?

TemplateData is a separate program that organizes information about the parameters that can be used in a template. VisualEditor reads that data, and uses it to populate its simplified template dialogs.

With the new TemplateData editor, it is easier to add information about parameters, because the ones you need to use are pre-loaded.

See the help page for TemplateData for more information about adding TemplateData. The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing team has reduced technical debt, simplified some workflows for template and citation editing, made major progress on Internet Explorer support, and fixed over 125 bugs and requests. Several performance improvements were made, especially to the system around re-using references and reference lists. Weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org.

There were three issues that required urgent fixes: a deployment error that meant that many buttons didn't work correctly (bugs 69856 and 69864), a problem with edit conflicts that left the editor with nowhere to go (bug 69150), and a problem in Internet Explorer 11 that replaced some categories with a link to the system message MediaWiki:Badtitletext (bug 70894) when you saved. The developers apologize for the disruption, and thank the people who reported these problems quickly.

Increased support for devices and browsers

Internet Explorer 10 and 11 users now have access to VisualEditor. This means that about 5% of Wikimedia's users will now get an "Edit" tab alongside the existing "Edit source" tab. Support for Internet Explorer 9 is planned for the future.

Tablet users browsing the site's mobile mode now have the option of using a mobile-specific form of VisualEditor. More editing tools, and availability of VisualEditor on smartphones, is planned for the future. The mobile version of VisualEditor was tweaked to show the context menu for citations instead of basic references (bug 68897). A bug that broke the editor in iOS was corrected and released early (bug 68949). For mobile tablet users, three bugs related to scrolling were fixed (bug 66697, bug 68828, bug 69630). You can use VisualEditor on the mobile version of Wikipedia from your tablet by clicking on the cog in the top-right when editing a page and choosing which editor to use.

TemplateData editor

The tool for editing TemplateData has been deployed to 30 more Wikipedias this week. Other Wikipedias and some other projects may receive access next month. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template page or a subpage, and then click the "Redigera TemplateData" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

Andra ändringar

Several interface messages and labels were changed to be simpler, clearer, or shorter, based on feedback from translators and editors. The formatting of dialogs was changed, and more changes to the appearance will be coming soon, when VisualEditor implements the new MediaWiki theme from Design. (A preview of the theme is available on Labs for developers.) The team also made some improvements for users of the Monobook skin that improved the size of text in toolbars and fixed selections that overlapped menus.

VisualEditor-MediaWiki now supplies the mw-redirect and mw-disambig class on links to redirects and disambiguation pages, so that user gadgets that colour in these types of links can be created.

Templates' fields can be marked as 'required' in TemplateData. If a parameter is marked as required, then you cannot delete that field when you add a new template or edit an existing one (bug 60358).

Language support improved by making annotations use bi-directional isolation (so they display correctly with cursoring behaviour as expected) and by fixing a bug that crashed VisualEditor when trying to edit a page with a dir attribute but no lang set (bug 69955).

Looking ahead

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon, perhaps in late October.

The team is also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables, and early work for this may appear within the month. Please comment on the design at Mediawiki.org.

In the future, real-time collaborative editing may be possible in VisualEditor. Some early preparatory work for this was recently done.

Supporting your wiki

At Wikimania, several developers gave presentations about VisualEditor. A translation sprint focused on improving access to VisualEditor was supported by many people. Deryck Chan was the top translator. Special honors also go to संजीव कुमार (Sanjeev Kumar), Robby, Takot, Bachounda, Bjankuloski06 and Ата. A summary of the work achieved by the translation community is available. Thank you all for your work.

This was the first translatable VisualEditor newsletter, so thanks to everybody who made this possible! If it hasn't been delivered in your language, and you'd like to help with translations in the future, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact Elitre (WMF), so that you will be notified when the next issue is due.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please join the office hours on Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 18:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Africa and Europe) and on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC on IRC.

Give feedback on VisualEditor at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. Thank you! —Elitre (WMF)

13 oktober 2014 kl. 11.49 (CEST)

Edit tables

Cant add row to a preexisting table 85.235.7.67 22 oktober 2014 kl. 15.17 (CEST)

That's a frequent request. It's a matter of weeks before you will be able to do so. Best, --Elitre (WMF) (diskussion) 22 oktober 2014 kl. 15.19 (CEST)

VisualEditor News #9—2014

Did you know?

VisualEditor is also available on the mobile version of Wikipedia. Log in and click the pencil icon to open the page you want to edit. Click on the gear-shaped settings button in the upper-right corner to pick which editor to use. Choose "⧼Mobile-frontend-editor-visual-editor⧽" to use VisualEditor, or "⧼Mobile-frontend-editor-source-editor⧽" to use the wikitext editor.

It will remember whether you used wikitext or VisualEditor, and use the same editor the next time you edit an article.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor. Not all features are available on the mobile website.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and requests, and worked on support for editing tables and for using non-Latin languages. Their weekly updates are posted on Mediawiki.org. Informal notes from the recent quarterly review were posted on Meta.

Recent improvements

Basic support for inserting tables and changing the number of rows and columns in them was just introduced to Wikipedias. Advanced features, like dragging columns to different places, will be added later.

To help editors find the most important items more quickly, some items in the toolbar menus are now hidden behind a "Mer" item, such as "Understrykning" in the styling menu.

The French Wikipedia should see better search results for links, templates, and media because the new search engine was turned on for everyone there. This change is expected at the Chinese and German Wikipedias this week, and the following week at the English Wikipedia.

The "pawn" system has been mostly replaced. Bugs in this system sometimes added a chess pawn character to wikitext. The replacement provides better support for non-Latin languages, with full support hopefully coming soon.

VisualEditor is now provided to editors who use Internet Explorer 10 or 11 on desktop and mobile devices. Internet Explorer 9 is not supported yet.

The keyboard shortcuts for items in the toolbar menus are now shown in the menus.

VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme from the User Experience/Design group. The appearance of dialog boxes has already changed in the mobile version. The appearance on desktops will change soon. You are welcome to compare the old "Apex" design and the new "MediaWiki" theme which will replace it.

Several bugs were fixed for internal and external links. Improvements to MediaWiki's search solved an annoying problem: If you searched for the full name of the page or file that you wanted to link, sometimes the search engine could not find the page. A link inside a template to a local page that does not exist will now show red, exactly as it does when reading the page. Due to an error, for about two weeks this also affected all external links inside templates. Opening an auto-numbered link node like [1] with the keyboard used to open the wrong link tool. These problems have all been fixed.

TemplateData

The tool for quickly editing TemplateData has been deployed to all Wikimedia Foundation wikis on Thursday, 6 November. This tool was already available on the biggest 40 Wikipedias, and now all wikis will have access to it. This tool makes it easier to add TemplateData to the template's documentation. When the tool is enabled, it will add a button above every editing window for a template (including documentation subpages). To use it, edit the template or a subpage, and then click the "Redigera TemplateData" button at the top. Read the help page for TemplateData to learn more about it. You can test the TemplateData editor in a sandbox at Mediawiki.org. Remember that TemplateData should be placed either on a documentation subpage or on the template page itself. Only one block of TemplateData will be used per template.

You can use the new autovalue setting to pre-load a value into a template. This can be used to substitute dates, as in this example, or to add the most common value for that parameter. The autovalue can be overridden by the editor, by typing something else in the field.

In TemplateData, you may define a parameter as "required". The template dialog box in VisualEditor will warn editors if they leave a "required" parameter empty, and they will not be able to delete that parameter. If the template can function without this parameter, then please mark it as "föreslagen" or "valfri" in TemplateData instead.

Looking ahead

The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. The appearance of the media search dialog will improve, to make picking between possible images easier and more visual. The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap.

The user guide is being updated to add information about editing tables. The translations of the user guide for most languages except Spanish, French, and Dutch are significantly out of date. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language. Talk to us if you need help exporting the translated guide to your wiki.

You can influence VisualEditor's design! Tell the VisualEditor team what you want changed during the office hours via IRC. The next sessions are on Wednesday, 19 November at 16:00 UTC and on Wednesday 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC. You can also share your ideas at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Also, user experience researcher Abbey Ripstra is looking for editors to show her how they edit Wikipedia. Please sign up for the research program if you would like to hear about opportunities.

If you would like to help with translations of this newsletter, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. Thank you! —Elitre (WMF)

15 november 2014 kl. 00.29 (CET)

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Flyttat till Diskussion:Ingemar Eliasson 13 december 2014 kl. 19.26 (CET)

VisualEditor News #10—2014

Did you know?

Basic table editing is now available in VisualEditor. You can add and remove rows and columns from tables at the click of a button.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on table editing and performance. Their weekly status reports are posted on mediawiki.org. Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

VisualEditor was deployed to several hundred remaining wikis as an opt-in beta feature at the end of November, except for most Wiktionaries (which depend heavily upon templates) and all Wikisources (which await integration with ProofreadPage).

Recent improvements

Basic support for editing tables is now available. You can add and delete tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid rowspan and colspan elements, instead of trying to repair them.

You can now use find and replace in VisualEditor, reachable through the tool menu or by pressing ^ Ctrl+F or ⌘ Cmd+F.

You can now create and edit simple <blockquote> paragraphs for quoting and indenting content. This changes a "Stycke" into a "Blockcitat".

Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing "* " will make the line a bullet list; "1." or "#" will make it a numbered list; "==" will make it a section heading; ": " will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change.

There are also two other keyboard sequences: "[[" for opening the link tool, and "{{" for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ^ Ctrl+K to open the link editor, still work.

If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.

You can again create and edit galleries as wikitext code.

Looking ahead

The current VisualEditor design will be replaced with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at mediawiki.org in late December and on other sites in early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)

The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January.

Planned changes to the media search dialog will make choosing between possible images easier.

Let's work together

• Share your ideas and ask questions at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback.
• Translations of the user guide for most languages are outdated. Only Ukrainian, Portuguese, Spanish, French, and Dutch translations are nearly current. Please help complete the current translations for users who speak your language.
• Talk to the Editing team during the office hours via IRC. The next session is on Wednesday, 7 January 2015 at 22:00 UTC.
• File requests for language-appropriate "Fet" and "Kursiv" icons for the character formatting menu in Phabricator.
• The design research team wants to see how real editors work. Please sign up for their research program.
• If you would like to help with translations of this newsletter, please subscribe to the Translators mailing list or contact us directly, so that we can notify you when the next issue is ready. Subscribe or unsubscribe at Meta. Thank you!

— Elitre (WMF)

26 december 2014 kl. 19.59 (CET)